Don't you guys find it pathetic that there's a fucking ballon floating
in the usa and the military says they can't get it?

We have no idea what's contained in the balloon :)

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Re: Re: fucking chinese ballo
By: esc to MRO on Fri Feb 03 2023 11:51 pm

Don't you guys find it pathetic that there's a fucking ballon floating in the usa and the military says they can't get it?

We have no idea what's contained in the balloon :)

i'm sure they could image atleast 3 different ways.
also why can't they grapple it and bring it into a hanger.
or grapple it with a drone and fly it up even further.
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Re: Re: fucking chinese ballo
By: MRO to esc on Sat Feb 04 2023 02:22 pm

Re: Re: fucking chinese ballo
By: esc to MRO on Fri Feb 03 2023 11:51 pm

Don't you guys find it pathetic that there's a fucking ballon floati in the usa and the military says they can't get it?

We have no idea what's contained in the balloon :)

i'm sure they could image atleast 3 different ways.
also why can't they grapple it and bring it into a hanger.
or grapple it with a drone and fly it up even further.

fly up to 66,000 feet and try to grapple it. The air is a bit cool and thin

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Re: Re: fucking chinese ballo
By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Feb 05 2023 11:06 am

fly up to 66,000 feet and try to grapple it. The air is a bit cool and thin

i don't have a hot air balloon. they have brought up a hot air balloon before at that altitude.

since it was manuverable maybe the chinese govt would just play with the joystick and avoid it.
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I ain't no Trump fan. But I agree, he would've ordered it to bet shot down immidiately after discovering it. He's been warning the U.S. about China even before he took office.

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Re: Re: fucking chinese ballo
By: n4tive to MRO on Mon Feb 06 2023 06:36 am

I ain't no Trump fan. But I agree, he would've ordered it to bet shot down immidiately after discovering it. He's been warning the U.S. about China even before he took office.

That's because anybody that's part of the system knows that the chinese are ruthless. trump just didn't need to be silent because they don't own them.

china does anything to win.
they became a manufacturing superpower and it was behind the back of regular people. politicians and everyone else kept silent.
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Re: Re: fucking chinese ballo
By: n4tive to MRO on Mon Feb 06 2023 06:36 am

I ain't no Trump fan. But I agree, he would've ordered it to bet shot down i

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If you destroy it right away, you cannot intercept and decode the
intelligence it gathered. Besifes, the Chinese do not know at what point we discovered it.

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Open source doesn't mean *anyone* can make changes (e.g. adding bugs or intentional vulnerabilities) - but it does mean that *anyone* can thoroughly analyze the source code and report issues and even suggest fixes. --

And there are organizations of volunteers and researchers doing this constantly.

There will always be security vulnerabilities; security is transient.

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my point is there's a false sense of security in open source software.
I think in the end, it's a wash. I think closed source and open source might be on the same level. Possibly, even closed source is safer.

There are entire conferences full of people that would disagree with you, but you do you ;)

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Re: Re: fucking chinese ballo
By: esc to Digital Man on Sat Feb 11 2023 11:15 pm

Open source doesn't mean *anyone* can make changes (e.g. adding bugs or intentional vulnerabilities) - but it does mean that *anyone* can thoroughly analyze the source code and report issues and even suggest fixes. --

And there are organizations of volunteers and researchers doing this constan

There will always be security vulnerabilities; security is transient.

Volunteers and researchers will change by volume the older a product gets and also depending on "new and cool" factor. After buying a Raspberry Pi, I
needed another single board computer and the Pine Rock64 fit the bill. When
it first came out in 2017-2018 there were loads of distros written for it. As time went by, several distros weren't being updated. Luckily Armbian kept updating their repositories. I ran into an video player issue afterupgrading to a newer image file, then learned the issue was related to the newer
kernal. I rolled back to the last image they made, then performed a distro upgrade without inheriting the problem.

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Re: Re: fucking chinese ballo
By: esc to MRO on Sat Feb 11 2023 11:18 pm

There are entire conferences full of people that would disagree with you, but you do you ;)

Where were these people those 2 years that heartbleed was in the code and being exploited ;)

Probably having conferences.

And I'm just giving ONE example.
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Re: Re: fucking chinese ballo
By: MRO to esc on Sun Feb 12 2023 02:49 pm

Where were these people those 2 years that heartbleed was in the code and being exploited ;)

For every example of an open source vulnerability that went undetected for years, a cursory google search can give you an example of a closed-source vulnerability that went undetected for years, too.

For example, EternalBlue was a Windows exploit that the NSA knew about for at least 5 years. It existed as far back as Windows XP, and even caused Microsoft to release patches for those ancient, unsupported operating systems once it was publicly disclosed in 2017.

The problem with Windows and many closed source systems is that people still refuse to update them in a timely manner. The WannaCry ransomware attack was incredibly succesful because systems weren't patched.

Network devices often rely on closed source firmware, and they're notoriously difficult to update, as it requires shutting the network device down to reboot it, so people simply don't update it. There are probably a handful of Cisco routers out there that haven't been updated in 20+ years.

Most studies that have been done about security vulnerabilities have shown no appreciable difference between open source and closed source software. They're both affected by security flaws at the same rate.

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Re: Re: fucking chinese ballo
By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Sun Feb 12 2023 10:09 am

Re: Re: fucking chinese balloon
By: Gamgee to MRO on Sun Feb 12 2023 09:09 am

But I would imaging that it is hard to hide the functionality
of "master key" in open-source code.

dude, opensource has been a security risk since it's been open
source.

Years ago, I was looking for a job and I had a job interview at one company t trust because, since it's open-source, he thought anyone could go in and p e it works well and is secure.

Nightfox

Windows has made great advances regarding locking it down. The last time I read about the pwn it to own competition, the hackers were going for
unpatched software exploits rather than exploits in the OS (regardless of platform.)

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Re: Re: fucking chinese ballo
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Mon Feb 13 2023 08:28 am

Re: Re: fucking chinese ballo
By: MRO to esc on Sun Feb 12 2023 02:49 pm

Where were these people those 2 years that heartbleed was in the code and being exploited ;)

For every example of an open source vulnerability that went undetected for years, a cursory google search can give you an example of a closed-source vulnerability that went undetected for years, too.

yeah but opensource is supposed to be safer! why are you using that as a crutch?

all those people are there to police it, right?
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Re: Re: fucking chinese ballo
By: MRO to DaiTengu on Mon Feb 13 2023 05:52 pm

There people that blindly believe something and then there's facts.
open source not safer than closed source if you look at the big picture. it's not safe if people don't do their part as contributers and members of t

Well said. In either system there are a core group of people doing product support. In closed source, you're assured a certain level of support because the developers on the project are assigned to the project. I n open source th e developers are there out of dedication, and may come and go depending on interest in the project.

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Re: Re: fucking chinese ballo
By: esc to MRO on Fri Feb 03 2023 11:51 pm

Don't you guys find it pathetic that there's a fucking ballon
floating in the usa and the military says they can't get it?

We have no idea what's contained in the balloon :)

Like a small tactial nuke or a emp device. But in all reality every big kid goverment on the block has been doing this type of stuff for years. Baloons , U2 , sr-71 we could go on and on about the Spy Game..... :)


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Re: Re: fucking chinese ballo
By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Feb 14 2023 10:48 am

Re: Re: fucking chinese ballo
By: MRO to DaiTengu on Mon Feb 13 2023 05:52 pm

There people that blindly believe something and then there's facts.
open source not safer than closed source if you look at the big picture. it's not safe if people don't do their part as contributers and members of t

Well said. In either system there are a core group of people doing product support. In closed source, you're assured a certain level of support because the developers on the project are assigned to the project. I n open source th e developers are there out of dedication, and may come and go depending on interest in the project.

There are quite a lot of developers that are *paid* (full-time job money) to work on open source projects.
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